Here's a novel idea..

OOOOOooo I have an answer for that one....The FBI are forever vigilent to rid this world of those internet child predators. They love doing that. Personally, I think they like reading the chat that goes on...but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Stop giggling, Shatter. I know, you are completely aware of "who" I'm talking about on this one. <wink>

I know with the utmost certainty, that 85% of all FBI (and the other TLS's) resources are dedicated to tracking down child molesters and child pornographers as far as their computer crimes division is concerned.

The big problem is data generation.

Now, the FBI may have seeded Face Book Inc. (COMMON, look at the initials) but I'm betting other places like the NSA and SS would enjoy the benefits. It's a system where you don't need researchers to do your work. Carnivore doesn't have to parse anything, every user is hdoing it for you.

Now, unlike other tin foil hat wearing people, and the crap spouted off, this is all very real. Does the FBI have nefarious intent for this data? No, I don't believe s for one moment. i do believe that they feel it will help them catch bad guys sooner than later, and give them and AMAZING paper trail of evidence for open shut cases, because all the information could be entered as confession, if I'm not mistaken.

However, that doesn't mean I think it's right to set up something like this.

With your example about FBI bog load, I'm suspect most of the cases that they don't convict are form some stupid technicality or procedural mistake.

As for time to data mine, it's easy. They start with an IP and run a search. See who all has had this IP. Check the time logs for the IP lease with the ISP. Don't even need a search warrent for that, it's all very routine. See who was using it at the time and see if they have a facebook account. Take a look at recent activity and who they are connected to.. etc etc.

Normally, all of this would require a stake out. Follow the suspect, see who they talk to, take pictures, process, build a dossier. Social networks d it for you. You are building a publicly accessible dossier on yourself at all times. All one would need was a superuser admin account to get to the information that isn't public.

Now, with the detail of questions face book asks you, it's like getting the 3rd degree.

--S

by signing into Tribe as ~{Jaded}~ no one in my family nor my coworkers know who I am. Only those who I choose to let in on my identity know who "jaded" is. Also, I don't access Tribe at work, I have too much actual work to do there to surf Tribe.

One of the problems is that most providers use Dynamic IP's. A Static IP can be blocked, but a Dynamic IP changes from time to time. They exist in a pool that randomly gets assigned to user who request them by logging on and entering the net, to be short. SO you and your neighbor can end up using the same IP from day to day, or it can even shift around a city. Depends on how the Provider is configured. So We could end up blocking an IP and block our friend down the street, inadvertently.

Rodney Springgun wrote:

"Please offer a counter view, but I don't see how anything can be done to prevent the process from being report-based and subjective as it with any company, and as such open to unfair emotionality. If you really can resolve this issue, it seems to me you'd be breaking the kind of ground that even the giants have failed to approach. But by all means, brainstorm it if you feel you are on to something. Maybe you are and everyone else should take notice."

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The whole industry is this way, you say?

I contend the whole industry has been duped by some silicon valley lawyers. All of these TOU were written by a bunch of west coast "intellectual property" transactional lawyers who had never been anywhere near a courtroom and who had no grasp of the realities of tort litigation, but who infused the entire internet social network industry with the paranoid and fearful notion that they had to respond to customer complaints about other customers by unsubbing or other drastic actions, lest they face some terrible horrible and potentially ruinous vicarious liability.

Much if not all of TOU activity on websites is driven by this deep seated paranoid fear of litigation, I think.

In reality, there is no practical legal liability going on for social network websites for allowing members to troll the shit out of each other, annoy each other, call each other names, drive each other to distraction, hurt each others feelings, etc.

The truly libelous or criminal actions that would warrant action by a website are rare and easy to spot. 99% of the complaints and unsubbings are about stuff that comes nowhere near to that.

So, once you take that out of the equation, why do social networking websites devote precious resources to pandering to the complaints and whining of various members about other members?

It's hard to say. Given how badly it is administered at a place like Tribe, it hardly does anything to engender customer satisfaction or add value.

Why not just let members fend for themselves? Why pander to all this petty, grade school type of whining and snitching?

The unsubbing is a mystery, to me. I mean, if I am so bad, awful and a threat to the company and all of civilization, as some of you argue that my frequent unsubbing proves, then doesn't that demand that tribe.net do more than just unsub me? They know I can come back and often do. Shouldn't they do more, like send me a warning that I am banned and that they will take legal action against me if I return? I mean, how can just unsubbing me be an adequate response if I pose some threat like some of you retards claim I do? Why, it's outright negligent of them not to do more!

But they don't do squat. They just unsub when someone whines a bunch. It's like dealing with a robot, I swear.

LOL!

Not only do they never say a damn word to me, but they actually allowed me to set up a premium account, with full knowledge of who I am, and they let me keep it for a month. That either proves they really have no idea of what the hell they are doing, or they were just out to scam me out of $40. And before y'all giggle at that one and congratulate the staff for their con, do you really admire and want to keep company with grifters who work for a $40 scam? Pathetic. Even crack whores have more pride than that.

There's no rhyme or reason to what they do. It blows my mind that none of you can see that, or think that there is no other way.

Tribe has admitted it isn't going to make the big time. They concede their goal is no longer to be a big network. Well, I got news for them. If they are going to make it as a small business, they are going to have to provide excellent customer service. And this TOU business ain't that.

>> You ask out of concern about your own IP address being linked to some abuse. <<

well... no. In fact I wish there was a way to definitively demonstrate that you and your cohorts are full of shit as far as your incessant accusations and lies about "Rod" and his thousand alts. but true to form it always has to return to vague accusations repeated incessantly all over tribe. but it is becoming increasingly clear that you've gone to the well one too many times and pretty every one else outside your insane litte clique realizes that you're not worth the time of day.

the problem has nothing to do with alts. the problem has everything to do with one or two deranged weirdos screwing it up for the rest of us. and it just keeps repeating itself. there will be a tribe with several active threads. you join. all the previous threads are abandoned and all content becomes focused on one or two threads you create. half the posts come from you. another quarter from your "friends." and the remaining posts are limited to the members that are now enmeshed in responding to your negative, weird bullshit.

and here we are... the buds of an interesting thread nipped by you yet again because you had to insinuate yourself. it wasn't about you and you can't tolerate that. god forbid others enjoy themselves. the only solution I've found to your insanity is to boot you and convert the tribes I moderate to moderated or private status. but I guess you take pride in being a nuisance.