Non-refundable

topic posted Fri, February 22, 2008 - 8:25 PM by  Mike
Darren please place the word...
"nonrefundable" in the premium subscription offer.

This tribe is just being trolled...
the subject is meaningless.
a causal loop of systematic thinking at best.
Thank you.
posted by:
Mike
SF Bay Area
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    Re: Non-refundable

    Fri, February 22, 2008 - 9:54 PM
    Your proposal, Mike, is a good bit too late. You cannot change the terms of a contract after the fact.

    Doh!

    Especially when Darren said, before I was unsubbed, that he would issue a refund to Bruce. That was a representation, which anyone would be entitled to reply upon.

    Mike, for a self proclaimed genius such as yourself, your ability to reason and apply logic is appallingly weak.

    Also, speaking of meaningless .. you wrote "the subject is meaningless. a casual loop of systematic thinking at best.

    Now the subject of refunds is hardly meaningless. How can any intelligent person say such a thing? How is the refund policy of a company "meaningless?"

    But what you wrote is meaningless. It is just more of your frequent attempts to impress people that you are a "revolutionary" and a "genius." But like so many of your phrases, it means nothing. It is devoid of meaning.

    If you were one of my students, I would fail you. I seldom fail students, but I would probably fail you if you were in my class. "F."
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      Re: Non-refundable

      Fri, February 22, 2008 - 10:03 PM
      "a casual loop of systematic thinking at best. "

      Mike, did you pepper your term papers with phrases like that?

      And the professors failed to see it as genius, didn't they? And then you got very upset with them. Uh huh, you did.

      The problems is with the professors! They don't recognize a revolutionary when they see one, do they?

      And anyone who criticizes your works here on tribe is a demon or just not smart enough. Like when Rendall said your artwork was like beginner political cartoons, and you responded that he just must not being seeing them right, like one of the smartest people on Tribe somehow wasn't smart enough to appreciate your art.

      Uh huh.

      Hitler also demonized his art professors. He bitterly resented their criticisms of his second rate art work.

      Not to compare you to Hitler or anything. LOL!
      • Re: Non-refundable

        Fri, February 22, 2008 - 10:13 PM
        So when do you think you'll be unsubbed this time Satan?

        You know you will.

        I think it's on account of you're being kind of nuts, in a similar fashion as Sham, Inc. and a Masochistic Sub

        and a Texas Lawyer of course.

        Did you know that Texas Lawyer is about the equivalent to ditch digger in the rest of the world?

        No offfense to ditch diggers of course as they are of better character and harder working than yourself.

        So,

        By the looks of it, that little crazy gene is ramping up in your head again.

        You think maybe about a week?

        Will you immediately run to the same tribes again, seeking attention like you always do?

        Will you create a thread named Refunds #37.

        ?

        ~V~
        • Re: Non-refundable

          Fri, February 22, 2008 - 10:15 PM
          It's funny about stars Satan:

          It was your one attempt at being legit, at being honest and decent...

          and you fucked it up like you've always done.

          Unsubbed Total: 98

          That must hurt.

          Better luck next incarnation.

          ~V~
          • Re: Non-refundable

            Sat, February 23, 2008 - 5:46 AM
            hey V,
            considering some of the crap you've pulled, I'm really surprised that you've never been unsubbed by tribe.
            but either way, gloating about someone else's history shows a real lack of class.

            all that aside, could you save it for another tribe? there are some real issues being brought up here, and you're not adding much to the discussion.
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              Re: Non-refundable

              Sat, February 23, 2008 - 6:39 AM
              Why do people assume that whether a person has been unsubbed or not proves anything about that person or the person's conduct?

              As long as the people -V- harassess don't complain incessantly about him, he will be able to stay forever. Besides, Darren "appreciates" Verseau's so called sense of humor.

              The TOU state that a person can be unsubbed WITHOUT CAUSE.

              So, by it's own official words, the holy bible that you all worship, the TOU, being unsubbed means nothing.

              Many of you find that hard to accept. Surely, if a person was unsubbed, there must have been warnings, a discussion, fact finding and investigation? Are you kidding?

              Unsubbing occurs whenever one person starts complaining a bunch about another person. The process is not about determining the validity of the complaints, but rather, simply appeasing the complainer and protecting Tribe.net from perceived liability by taking action, i.e., unsubbing the subject of the complaints.

              It reminds me a lot of grade school. If one kid complains to the teacher a lot about another kid, the kid who is the subject of the complaints will probably get in trouble, even if the kid who is doing the complaining is the one who is actually causing most if not all of the trouble. This system favors complainers, tattlers, whiners, snitchs and such.

              I remember kids like that. They would try to pull some crap, pick a fight or what not, and as soon as they got in over their heads, they would high tail it over to the teacher and scream that the other kid was picking on them. Tribe is just like that.

              But lest you folks get lost in the grade school analogy, remember the facts. A person can be unsubbed for any reason, no reason, and without cause, and without notice.

              If that kind of system is your idea of a real fact finding machine, I just hope you never get picked to serve on a jury, and I also hope you do not vote.
              • Re: Non-refundable

                Sat, February 23, 2008 - 6:44 AM
                "Why do people assume that whether a person has been unsubbed or not proves anything about that person or the person's conduct?"

                I don't.

                which is just part of the reason why it's silly to gloat about someone else's unsub history, and even sillier to use that as a way to insult them or undermine the validity of what they're expressing in a discussion.
              • Re: Non-refundable

                Sat, February 23, 2008 - 7:13 AM
                >>The TOU state that a person can be unsubbed WITHOUT CAUSE.<<

                wow. Then maybe you shoulda played extra nice.

                ha ha! Keep cryin' ...
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                  Re: Non-refundable

                  Sat, February 23, 2008 - 8:29 AM
                  Mystic, the only cryin' I see here are your trollish cries for attention.

                  You are somone who seldom if ever has anything to contribute. You just piggy back your failed attempts at snarkyness onto other people's ideas, proposals, comments and questions.

                  It is a cry for attention. You don't have anything of substance to say, but you still cry "look at me!"
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                    Re: Non-refundable

                    Sat, February 23, 2008 - 8:34 AM
                    You know, acknowledging your own culpability in all of this might be more effective as a sympathy gambit.

                    Well, OK, not with me, but maybe with others.
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                    Re: Non-refundable

                    Sat, February 23, 2008 - 9:13 AM
                    >>Mystic, the only cryin' I see here are your trollish cries for attention. <<

                    Projection.

                    I don't even come close to you and your cries, partner.
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          Re: Non-refundable

          Fri, February 22, 2008 - 10:24 PM
          You know, when this is what the hard core members of tribe are like, when this lame trolling is the only content they contribute, its a wonder that everyone is not demanding a refund.

          For someone who professes to hate all lawyers, all Texans and especially all Texas Lawyers, Verseau devotes virtually all of his time on Tribe - and a substantial amount of his time at that - trying to chat with me. God, this is so boring.

          Verseau, you are just another third rate troll who lives in my shadow and has nothing to contribute. All you can think of to do with your time on tribe is troll me. Like SO many other tribe regulars who contribute nothing but weak attempts at being snarky. Your posts consist of little more than childish personal attacks, without any wit or humor beyond that which a second grader could write. Where is the content?

          My challenge to you, Mystic, Patrick and the like.

          Produce some real content, and maybe then tribe might become an interesting enough place to reverse the long decline in membership.
          • Re: Non-refundable

            Fri, February 22, 2008 - 10:45 PM
            That's an interesting little pecker you have there little one.

            Be sure and put it back in mommy's drawer after your done "massaging" yourself with it.

            ~V~
          • Re: Non-refundable

            Fri, February 22, 2008 - 11:04 PM
            We tried that doofus, then tribe went down to only one employee to talk to, and zero dollars to act on anything we came up with. They recently got some ability to do so, it seems, but with Tribe's inability to act on it, the rush to do that is sorta on the decline. I fail to see how poking a stick in their eye for the umpteenth time is helping things either. If you really are trying to help you're woefully underskilled in the arena of comprehending how to motvate people. You even suck at trolling. At least come up with something coherent to post for god's sake. Your contribution is to whine more? wtf? Make sense, damn you!

            <poke>

            Your turn.
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              Re: Non-refundable

              Fri, February 22, 2008 - 11:22 PM
              You're projecting, Maladapted.

              Yawn.

              It's mildly entertaining to engage you trolls here, but there remains a conspicuous absence of responses from tribe.net

              I expect they let the trolling go on for so long in these threads because it diverts attention from the questions and issues I have raised.
              • Re: Non-refundable

                Sat, February 23, 2008 - 10:43 AM
                Yawn yourself. You point out that TOU can unsub with no warning, and yet you cry about it when you openly violate TOU and get unsubbed for obvious causes. Make up your mind. Are they right or wrong?

                Knowing now that Darren is busy coding a way to keep cyber stalkers out (at least out of paying customer realms) rather than answering you makes me feel pretty good. As I suspected, there is in fact a reason I find very agreeable for tribe ignoring you. I also must laugh a bit at the idea that this code may in fact be used against you too, which you brought on yourself openly, knowingly and intentionally. And then complained about.

                Oh, and the proper European spelling is Troull. We're going Euro this year. Get on the double decker bus already.
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                  Re: Non-refundable

                  Sat, February 23, 2008 - 4:10 PM
                  You make many unfounded assumptions and assertions to support your authoritarian views.

                  I contend that I have not violated TOU, or in the alternative, if I have, so have probably 90% of the heavy users of tribe, and many of the most prominent members of tribe have committed far more serious violations.

                  I contend that the reason I am unsubbed is simply that I never complain about other people to the TOU GYUT but my opponents take up inordinate amounts of Tribe.net's time by lodging endless complaints to the TOU GUY, which they do out of frustration at not being able to win arguments, out troll me, or whatever it is they seek to do when they engage me.

                  And TOU is a totally reactive mechanism. If tribe.net receives a volume of complaints about someone, no matter how frivolous or hypocritcal those complaints may be, the subject of those complaints will be unsubbed.
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                    Yawn yawn yawn yawnity yawn ....

                    Sat, February 23, 2008 - 4:33 PM
                    ... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ....
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                      Re: Yawn yawn yawn yawnity yawn ....

                      Sat, February 23, 2008 - 4:46 PM
                      That's my reaction to you, as well, Mystic. You are just one of less interesting members of the pack of trolls who follow me around, trying to be king of the hill.

                      You try, and you fail.

                      No one would even notice if you left.
      • Re: Non-refundable

        Wed, February 27, 2008 - 11:29 PM
        >> "a casual loop of systematic thinking at best. " <<

        I'm trying to parse what this could possibly mean...

        I think rather than "casual", Mike meant "causal". A "causal loop" is described here:

        "predestination paradox, also called either a *causal loop*, or a causality loop and (less frequently) either a closed loop or closed time loop, is a paradox of time travel that is often used as a convention in science fiction. It exists when a time traveller is caught in a loop of events that "predestines" him or her to travel back in time. " en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pred...on_paradox

        But I don't think that's what Mike meant. The only "causal loop" associated even marginally with "systematic thinking" is the Causal Loop Diagram:

        "Causal loop diagrams (CLDs) are a kind of *systems thinking* tool." www.pegasuscom.com/cld.html

        So, I have a feeling that "casual loop of systematic thinking" was a muddled version of "causal loop diagrams are a kind of systems thinking tool."

        >> and you responded that he just must not be seeing them right <<

        LOL! That was it, in effect. First it was "you should present your own art before you criticize!" then it was "you don't know how to critique!"

        In undergrad art school, we stopped couching negative critique within positive terms sometime during our freshman year. We just didn't have the energy to always be saying bullshit like "I really like your creative initiative and the colors. And you always have such energy! This drawing is not as good as your first one, but I totally totally love it!"

        By sophomore year we would straight-up say "Wow. That piece is really disappointing." if indeed we felt that it was. At the same time, if you got praise, you knew it wasn't bullshit.

        So, when Mike presented his cartoons for evaluation, all the non-artists were all "Wow, so amazing, that's awesome, blah blah" but I assumed that Mike, being a professional artist, wasn't looking for that. so I said "Mike, they look like bad political cartoons" which they do. Which made him mad.

        • Re: Non-refundable

          Thu, February 28, 2008 - 8:03 AM
          I'm trying to parse what this could possibly mean... >>>>
          The entire post is obviously a flame.
          I refuse to participate.
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            Re: Non-refundable

            Thu, February 28, 2008 - 9:42 AM
            "I'm trying to parse what this could possibly mean... >>>>
            The entire post is obviously a flame.
            I refuse to participate."

            ________

            You just did.

            No, seriously.

            I give your post an "F."

            Is it not obvious that Mike is one of those drop outs who blames his failures on his professors? I suspect that once he got past high school and his teachers stop praising him as "gifted and talented" and started telling him when he was wrong and when his work stank, he retreated into this fantasy world that we are treated to in his tribes and posts, this fantasy world in which he proclaims his own genius and demonizes all of his critics and opponents.

            Hitler, the failed artist, did the same thing with regard to his professors. Hated 'em and blamed them for his problems. Blamed them for not recognizing his artistic talent, when in fact, he was just a second rate hack. And like Hitler, Mike is delusional.

            This warrants further study.
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    Re: Non-refundable

    Fri, February 22, 2008 - 10:09 PM
    "Darren please place the word...
    "nonrefundable" in the premium subscription offer. "

    And while you are at it, why not unsub people like Mike who photoshop their phony premium stars because they are too cheap to support tribe.net and pass that off as an act of "revolution"?

    *guffaw*

    Hey, at least I tried to support tribe with my money. What has Mike ever done to suppor the place? And he thinks he's entitled to opine on the subject.

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