http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#f7cde754-f175-47bc-8924-4573ff22ffdc All pretty irrelevant now as ex.plode.us appears to be out of business. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex.plode.us Sun, 26 Jul 2009 19:32:23 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#f7cde754-f175-47bc-8924-4573ff22ffdc Ian 2009-07-26T19:32:23Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#306adc38-4d86-43a8-9b38-c2811ffd4387 Can you imagine what the reaction would be if the phone companies announced that henceforth all phone conversations would logged into a database for all to hear via a search engine? At some point the privacy thing bites the net in the ass and chases people off or does what it is actually doing now which is to inhibit potential new users from having anyhthing to do with the net. Tue, 19 May 2009 01:51:05 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#306adc38-4d86-43a8-9b38-c2811ffd4387 Solari 2009-05-19T01:51:05Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5ef523b8-9cda-4e1e-89ac-11db6e719d61 bump for gullible dumbasses Tue, 19 May 2009 00:03:41 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5ef523b8-9cda-4e1e-89ac-11db6e719d61 $item.owner.firstName 2009-05-19T00:03:41Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2df7d472-f8c0-4e1f-8211-077f9d7eacde http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex.plode.us Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:22:13 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2df7d472-f8c0-4e1f-8211-077f9d7eacde Ian 2008-07-07T13:22:13Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#7c402919-fa8e-4ca4-8d5d-dd7a2c9b56fe On the other hand, I realized that nothing on the internet is anymore private than the folk in your community will allow back in the 1990s. This is why so many oldbies used pseudonyms. You should know by now that if it can be picked up on a search engine, it's not private-- it might be no one's business, but it's not private-- and you need to behave accordingly at all times. Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:51:15 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#7c402919-fa8e-4ca4-8d5d-dd7a2c9b56fe Ian 2008-06-25T13:51:15Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c3262180-105e-4246-a474-88a9f9f8b9c3 ex.plode.us doesn't grab information from myspace, but Spock does. Myspace doesn't use a protocol that ex.plode can handle apparently. Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:46:09 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c3262180-105e-4246-a474-88a9f9f8b9c3 Ian 2008-06-25T13:46:09Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2c0fc55c-cacc-4649-b1dd-99f473195cb5 Actually, I happen to like the ideas behind ex.plode.us, though I felt the implementation had a lot to be desired. I even blogged about discovering it last year: http://ianthal.blogspot.com/2007/06/ian-thal-and-doppelgngers.html I've been disappointed to discover that it wasn't working well as of late-- in that it dropped all of my friends from tribe.net from my network. It only took a little google search to discover that this was the thread that led to the handicapping of ex.plode.us The social web is moving past the phase of "walled gardens"-- I want open protocols like FOAF so that I can move my data around-- I want to be able to integrate my social networks with my blogs with my social bookmarking sites. Tribe made a lot of progress in that direction by offering RSS feeds and del.icio.us to the modules we can add to our profiles, but they aren't yet really integrated with our home pages (or where most of the action occurs: the tribes.) Facebook has made progress in that direction (the problem with Facebook is not that they share information-- as they actually protect your profile page from casual searches-- it was that they shared information with advertizers-- and that stopped.) Keep in mind, I found this discussion through a google search. Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:41:20 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2c0fc55c-cacc-4649-b1dd-99f473195cb5 Ian 2008-06-25T13:41:20Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#bc169fe6-d7d7-49b6-8361-edf7dce12700 For some people latitude and longitude shows up and for some people it doesn't. What's up with that? Thu, 06 Mar 2008 00:43:30 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#bc169fe6-d7d7-49b6-8361-edf7dce12700 Briar 2008-03-06T00:43:30Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d958d330-25e8-4a74-b233-d43087ef87d2 ah, ok, I was just checking :) and yes, I agree that the location thing is not cool! Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:56:44 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d958d330-25e8-4a74-b233-d43087ef87d2 déia 2008-03-05T18:56:44Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ffa64f79-f2b4-46d7-b14c-7b3ecd4c4e81 no, punkin... the farking latitude/longitude on ex.plode.us I think it's a definite security/safety issue for some people Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:51:51 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ffa64f79-f2b4-46d7-b14c-7b3ecd4c4e81 $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-05T18:51:51Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a946cf88-cbbd-45a3-8657-b2becc420f9b >> this is so NOT cool... which part? the ex.plode.us site? or what I wrote in my last post? Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:43:26 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a946cf88-cbbd-45a3-8657-b2becc420f9b déia 2008-03-05T18:43:26Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c1ee319a-1475-4744-86fc-bd394faf9047 WTF? this is so NOT cool... Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:35:42 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c1ee319a-1475-4744-86fc-bd394faf9047 $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-05T18:35:42Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#73ecf4d9-aaa1-47fc-a123-916e0a272c48 you can see stuff on tribe even if you haven't joined or signed in. Mon, 03 Mar 2008 18:51:29 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#73ecf4d9-aaa1-47fc-a123-916e0a272c48 déia 2008-03-03T18:51:29Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#849d9a07-f5b9-429c-8f2b-bfabbad46e53 What I dont get is why this is a "secure" site as in you must join and or sign in to see anything.. so how is it that they are able to circumvent that protical? Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:18:05 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#849d9a07-f5b9-429c-8f2b-bfabbad46e53 $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-03T15:18:05Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#896f2f23-2dd2-41a1-806a-c94339fb548a Thanks True, I understand all that. I'm trying to ascertain what Tribe has any level of control over. I don't expect to have any level of impact on the overall practices of the internet marketing community. I do however think we might have input as to whether or not Tribe puts practices in place that prevent our content from being mined so easily. I realize they can't stop it 100%, but they can help make it difficult, and they can figure out a way to ask my permission before making it public outside of this site. If they can't, then I'll continue to do what I've already started doing. Remove references to my age and location, and make everything I post 'friends only' if the system lets me. Mon, 03 Mar 2008 14:53:09 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#896f2f23-2dd2-41a1-806a-c94339fb548a Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-03-03T14:53:09Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5e5904b4-f3bd-403f-a27d-1082a8a1ff29 From a marketing perspective and that of a potential consumer/customer, we are only good to a business of any kind if we are opted in by default. This was a discussion that went on at the beginning of the internet boom between cultural critics having a looksee at the then pioneers of the internet that are now juggernauts in a different kind of world. ~V~ Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:55:32 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5e5904b4-f3bd-403f-a27d-1082a8a1ff29 $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-03T13:55:32Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2af30ae4-0b26-4270-aec2-470f0fd5bbb6 True, that makes great sense as and how you explained it. Mon, 03 Mar 2008 07:32:53 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2af30ae4-0b26-4270-aec2-470f0fd5bbb6 Elaine~ 2008-03-03T07:32:53Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2d5fcfad-a609-4bf9-9267-3d61790fbe0b I know what you mean, completely. But I also wanted to point out the actual definitions. We ARE the end users, the members, the consumers. We will always be the consumers or members, unless we have a business in marketing. OK? Opt = Option. The privacy statement you are discussing meant that you, the consumer, were automatically INcluded (as the default) and your OPTion was to opt-out of being included in sharing that information with someone else. You, the consumer, will always be the "you". And the terms and agreements will be presented to YOU. By the company. By the marketers. By the auto dealership. By the employer. Just like the "you" in the Terms of Service applies to the consumer, who is reading it and agreeing to it. They even have to explain it to us: "YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL" and "Utah Street Networks Inc. is a California corporation located at 208 Utah Street, 3rd Floor, San Francisco, CA 94103 and is referred to as "Tribe", "we" or "our" in this Service Agreement." We're the "you" and they're the "we", "our", "us". LOL! Oh, this could be fun. You're "you" in the Terms of Service, but I am also a "you" too. So, unless you "opt-out" you are AUTOMATICALLY going to be included, it means you are included, in whatever it is that is being presented. And that is the problem with the current marketing crap, we get telemarketers, we get spam ads in our home mailboxes, about products and services we didn't ask for, and aren't interested in. They automatically include us, unless we OPT OUT (use our option to get out of their database). OPT OUT is generally a pain in the ass and places the burden on the consumer to have themselves removed from each and every list. But as there are NEW lists all the time, new businesses, businesses taken over by another business, you will never be able to OPT OUT of everything, since it keeps coming back. It's like dusting. Or vacuuming. The same dirt didn't come back, it's all new dust and dirt. Now, under the OPT IN program, we would check a box requesting that dirt and dust be deposited in our homes, when and where we want it. Otherwise, no dirt or dust would appear in our home. Meaning you can specify enriched soil in a bag for your houseplants, but not the stuff that settles on the tops of frames and bookshelves. Or, you will only be included (OPT IN, OPTION TO BE INCLUDED) on Armstrong Flooring mailing list database if you specifically contact Armstrong Flooring to ask for more information. Wait! Better stupid example. You have a group of friends. They show up at the door. They say "We are going to the beach". OPT OUT has them assuming you will be going and picking you up to carry you off to the beach, and you have to say "I OPT OUT of going to the beach". And you would have very pushy, annoying friends if they go around picking up people physically and carrying them off, assuming you will want to go. OPT IN has the group ask if you would like to go. They don't force you or drag you off. You get to choose before they even pick you up if you want to be included or excluded. Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:27:28 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2d5fcfad-a609-4bf9-9267-3d61790fbe0b $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-03T06:27:28Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#dfeebf06-fde0-4393-b7f6-4920e9befd58 >> I want my information broadcast to noone unless I give explicit permission. << it isn't broadcast. we're posting in the public domain. they are just dredging information that is readily available. Mon, 03 Mar 2008 05:16:11 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#dfeebf06-fde0-4393-b7f6-4920e9befd58 Sunset 2008-03-03T05:16:11Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#35896441-7325-4769-8fec-99f273a2c694 I'm confused. I thought 'opt out' meant they do not have permission. I just got a privacy statement on myspace and had to go and 'opt out' of everything to prevent third party marketers from using my info. I ready the whole thing and thought I understood, but now I'm confused again. Re-reading your post, I think you're talking about it from the marketers point of view whereas I'm thinking from the users perspective. My semantics may be wrong, but you understand what I mean. I want my information broadcast to noone unless I give explicit permission. Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:18:19 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#35896441-7325-4769-8fec-99f273a2c694 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-03-03T04:18:19Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0378ca6a-0944-4074-94cc-ede1374d5079 "By default everything should be 'opt out' unless I am asked." I think you mean "opt in". Default would be whatever everyone gets. "Opt in" would be to change that default from being excluded to being included. "Opt out" would be to change that default from being included to being excluded. In this case, it matters a lot. Likewise with things like email and postal spam. Do you want every single business to assume you want their advertising? So that you have to opt-out of each and every advertiser? Or, do you want each single business to send you NOTHING unless you specifically opt-in to their promotions and flyers? The former will give you headaches and an avalanche of paper. The latter will allow you to pick and choose who and what you get delivered to your inbox or your mail box. Opt-out definition/example: Opt-Out <Back to Last Page> <Full Glossary> Related Terms • Double Opt-In • Opt-Out • Single Opt-In • Spam Definition: Opt-out email marketing assumes a general permission to send marketing messages to everyone who has not explicitly stated that they do not want to receive such information. Spammers operate on this highly problematic premis. Opt-in email marketing, where messages are only sent to those who request them, is much more effective. Think of opt-out marketing as a never-ending chain of mailing list that you are automatically subscribed to. While you can unsubscribe ("opt out of") each list individually, it won't be long before a new list emerges, and of course you're automatically subscribed. Also Known As: Spam Source: http://email.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_opt-out.htm ------ Opt-in: Opt-In <Back to Last Page> <Full Glossary> Related Terms • Double Opt-In • Opt-Out • Single Opt-In • Email Address Appending Definition: Opt-in email marketing means sending marketing messages only to people who explicitly requested them. If a customer asks for a specific piece of information, you have the permission to send that information and nothing more. To continue sending marketing emails you need the explicit permssion to do so ("Please send me announcements and special offers via email", for example). Also note the difference between single opt-in and double opt-in. Also Known As: Permission-based marketing Source: http://email.about.com/library/glossary/bldef_opt-in.htm ------ Mon, 03 Mar 2008 04:01:10 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0378ca6a-0944-4074-94cc-ede1374d5079 $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-03T04:01:10Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#eeecf0cd-aa30-48db-91a0-c57c8846a52b "However the issue here, I think, is trying to discourage groups that are making it *more* public." Exactly. It's one thing to know that anything I put on the net can be found. It's another thing entirely to have anything I put on the net actively mined, re-published, and broadcast without my explicit consent. Let's not make it any easier for them. By default everything should be 'opt out' unless I am asked. Mon, 03 Mar 2008 03:34:40 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#eeecf0cd-aa30-48db-91a0-c57c8846a52b Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-03-03T03:34:40Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#dba1e782-2047-446f-b862-13a24fad2d86 You still can. There are two search boxes when you are in topic view mode of a tribe. The one at the top of the page searches all of tribe. The one right above the topic section searches the tribe you are in. Sun, 02 Mar 2008 23:45:11 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#dba1e782-2047-446f-b862-13a24fad2d86 Timbozo 2008-03-02T23:45:11Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#168f8c9e-63aa-4a6d-9617-52e6f239e73e >> There is public but obscure or hard to get, and then there is public and highly visible to any yahoo (no pun intended) with internet access. << Assume that anything that is ever public will always be public and will some day be easy to view. Also, assume that anything encrypted will some day be public and easy to view, but hopefully by that time the information will be obsolete. Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:39:43 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#168f8c9e-63aa-4a6d-9617-52e6f239e73e Язηdall 2008-03-02T21:39:43Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#919d6920-0829-4a71-96ea-e14e05e4237d >> It doesn't piss me off as much as it seems to piss you folks off -- << It doesn't piss me off at all. That's what FOAF is there for, as far as I'm concerned. I'd love there to be a social networking aggregator, kind of like Trillian and Meebo for IMs. FOAF could be a part of that. Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:35:24 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#919d6920-0829-4a71-96ea-e14e05e4237d Язηdall 2008-03-02T21:35:24Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e35ff176-e193-41ed-8e7e-ede866d76ab4 do you always log in from the same location? Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:24:50 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e35ff176-e193-41ed-8e7e-ede866d76ab4 Sunset 2008-03-02T21:24:50Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#029e79ea-3f4f-482c-bb13-1e5b0bc07390 Ya, the Google search on tribe blows. The previous search also blew except that you could search a specific tribe for something. --S Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:02:45 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#029e79ea-3f4f-482c-bb13-1e5b0bc07390 Shatter 2008-03-02T21:02:45Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#3dc70532-eb77-4394-b4e1-f4281a3a785c I noticed that too about the lack of myspace profiles on this explode site. Huh, wonder what is up with that? Perhaps myspace has somehow prevented this sort of thing happening from thier site. Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:17:26 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#3dc70532-eb77-4394-b4e1-f4281a3a785c Elaine~ 2008-03-02T20:17:26Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c8ad8111-4b7e-4641-ac3a-3fa36c348124 Robert Mark, Strictly speaking you are correct, this information is public, everyone should be made aware that it is public, and tribe needs to plug any holes where non-public data is visible. However the issue here, I think, is trying to discourage groups that are making it *more* public. There is public but obscure or hard to get, and then there is public and highly visible to any yahoo (no pun intended) with internet access. If ex.plode.us finds dog shit on their door step for a month, or whatever, and this protest over what they are doing becomes a public media event, then things will happen. Why has Facebook had to change their behavior over and over again? Because of public response. BTW, and completely off topic, I noticed that MySpace does not seem to be one of the sources that ex.plode.us pulls. If true, that's funny. Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:49:27 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c8ad8111-4b7e-4641-ac3a-3fa36c348124 torroid 2008-03-02T17:49:27Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#236b3b03-1fd1-44c8-95e5-b5d299b49c83 There has been a lot of discussion on the net recently about data portability. The idea behind it is that it makes joining other social networks easier if you do not have to re-enter all of your information all over again every time you join a new site. However, absolutely nothing you do on the Internet is private unless you encrypt it. If you write it on the web it is public information forever. Foaf is just one way they are trying to make your information easier to move from site to site. xfn, vcards hresume are also ways to make your information easier to share with others and ways to make it easier to read by other machines/search engines. If you do not want your information public no not put it on the web. That is the most basic Internet information. Again nothing is private on the net. no email, no website information, virtually anything you say or do on the net is public information the moment you make if available on the net. Google, Wink, Spock, and Explode, are just a very few that are out there everyday seaching for anything you say or do. These are what are known as people finders. type in your name or anyones name and you will find out just about anything they have made public on the net. I Understand the need for privacy, but it is very hard to keep anything private for long on the net. Tribe can make it optional for the public display of your foaf, but that doesnt not stop your friends from reading your foaf and adding your information to thier own foaf file somewhere else on another server somewhere on the net. The discussion about privacy is as important as the discussion about data portablitity. Every site needs to have this dialog with its consumers and make vcards, foaf, xfn, etc opt-in only in my humble opinion. Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:14:07 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#236b3b03-1fd1-44c8-95e5-b5d299b49c83 Robert Mark 2008-03-02T05:14:07Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#f0574520-b639-4349-af49-d75786cd4831 OK, it *might* be getting it from city/neighborhood, which happens to be completely independent of zip code. You can tell Tribe the city you're located in, and in certain areas (mostly the bay area) you can narrow it down farther. In the bay area you can narrow it down to things like (if remember correctly) San Francisco, North Bay, East Bay, and within some of those you can get even more specific (e.g. a specific neighborhood within SF.) If you told Tribe that you lived in the Castro, then being within a block of your actual location wouldn't be surprising. Sun, 02 Mar 2008 05:12:19 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#f0574520-b639-4349-af49-d75786cd4831 Patti 2008-03-02T05:12:19Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e6694a24-233a-4ee6-8a66-710d93b55186 Oh dear, I think that is a horrible idea. Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:19:06 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e6694a24-233a-4ee6-8a66-710d93b55186 Elaine~ 2008-03-02T04:19:06Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e202501d-36df-46ff-a562-5ea21ab7ab34 http://tribes.tribe.net/mashuptheweb/thread/20444eac-d69c-4534-b45a-31e2bac75503 I realize this is a rather dead tribe and no responses to the like...but there are people out there who apparently think knowing where people are and being able to pinpoint them on a map is a really GREAT idea. Obviously, they aren't people bothered by stalkers, rapists, and thieves. Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:14:01 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e202501d-36df-46ff-a562-5ea21ab7ab34 ~{Jad3d}~ 2008-03-02T04:14:01Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#bda6ccd2-98d9-4fb2-920c-18f67b512b7e You can always test it out, by creating a new account. You didn't remember putting in a zip code for Tribe farther up this thread, or even the zip code requirement: http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#68895973-df3a-4ab9-8adf-34990cdb2921 But you had said that you usually don't use an accurate zip code. Maybe you did, when you made the profile you have now. You can test it, via a new account, by putting in an obviously false zip code and then checking your FOAF. I will guarantee that Tribe.net isn't tracking us via satellite. You can transfer over all your stuff, to the new profile, if it makes you feel better. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:29:14 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#bda6ccd2-98d9-4fb2-920c-18f67b512b7e $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-01T23:29:14Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#352a8b5c-a713-40fe-9007-96a1210cd2b1 Well Patti, I put in a false zipcode located downtown as I always do that is a couple of miles away. yet, it was uncannily accurate on the block I live on. ~V~ Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:52:53 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#352a8b5c-a713-40fe-9007-96a1210cd2b1 $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-01T20:52:53Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#3c2586ca-583e-4ec2-a7ac-1241961bf39c > I think we shoul;d have 2 birthdays a year Great. Twice the reasons for people to get pissed when you forget their birthday. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:21:58 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#3c2586ca-583e-4ec2-a7ac-1241961bf39c torroid 2008-03-01T20:21:58Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#26c46683-d1d5-44b0-92b3-a39a34cf82f0 is this fix available or will you let us know when it is? Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:42:23 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#26c46683-d1d5-44b0-92b3-a39a34cf82f0 Isara 2008-03-01T19:42:23Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0c88501c-8156-4fe1-92ed-215c4232e4ba Something is off on Tribe now too.................. Before ............ I could see in my bookmark tribes .......... how many new posts..... Then I'd look, and that would dissappear.............. now ............. after I look, that doesn't happen........... meaning ............... it keeps the post count, and even in Threads that I've looked at .............. the * is still there for new posts............... even if there aren't any............... I also am getting multiple requests of the same friend................ if I accept................ that request keeps coming................... That's an FYI..... So, any spider can just duplicate Tribe.............?. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 18:04:42 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0c88501c-8156-4fe1-92ed-215c4232e4ba ☼Sunshine☼ 2008-03-01T18:04:42Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#75956293-5cbd-4f03-9f2e-a2ba736418b6 A long time ago, a friend of mine decided he knew the Grand Unifying Theory of the Internet. It was a bit like GIGO -- Garbage In, Garbage Out. His theory was KIBO -- Knowledge In, Bullshit Out. I find it much more likely that the Internet turns everything to crap, and Google just amplifies this property of the Internet with its search algorithm. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:51:22 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#75956293-5cbd-4f03-9f2e-a2ba736418b6 $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-01T17:51:22Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1f30a8c1-5828-4281-8989-7cb84c513349 I looked at my FOAF info, and I find that is true about location. My location there is still the city I lived in when I first signed on to Tribe nearly a year ago. I've moved since then, and updated my profile, but I feel a little less vulnerable than most of you because my location is still the old one, according to info that is available through FOAF. Also, I started looking at ex.plode.us to see if I was there, but after 300 people with my name, and I didn't yet see me, I stopped looking. There are advantages to privacy issues by having a common name. Maybe some of you with names you've invented just for Tribe might want to think about using a common every day name instead. It doesn't bother me about google searches showing me or my tribes. In fact I like that people who have never heard about Tribe can still find the information in my smaller tribe. There are so few Tribe members that do flying trapeze, that I like that the rest of the flying world can find my tribe even if they've never heard of Tribe. ex.plode.us is a little more unsettling than google to me because it seems an independent social network that seems to be stealing all the other networks info just to have a populated site. And it is obvious to any Tribe member that all their info is on google, as long as they aren't designating their pictures, blogs and tribes as private, where as no one ever pointed out, till now, that other social networking sites can take our info. What bothers me about it, is not that I might be on it, because I have all along behaved as if I am an open book for all on the internet to see while I'm on Tribe, but that I invited friends here, sometimes persuading them to join and be my friend. Some of them may not be so happy when (if) they learn that they are also on ex.plode.us without their permission just because they agreed to be my friend on Tribe. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:03:43 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1f30a8c1-5828-4281-8989-7cb84c513349 Christie 2008-03-01T17:03:43Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1c999a02-6ad6-4fd6-ab7c-0a704c15c682 "tribe was always all about pushing for new open standards." I never knew that. I'm all for pushing for privacy. And, like Skylar, I much preferred Tribes previous search engine. I wish google never happened to Tribe. Google turns everything it touches to crap. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:16:10 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1c999a02-6ad6-4fd6-ab7c-0a704c15c682 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-03-01T15:16:10Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#552206f2-ed2d-40f5-baef-4426d223dd8f Luckily that's an easier fix! Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:58:41 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#552206f2-ed2d-40f5-baef-4426d223dd8f Mystic 2008-03-01T13:58:41Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6bced5f4-ba37-4954-8aad-813c131aafdb Good info. Thanks, Patti. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 13:54:39 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6bced5f4-ba37-4954-8aad-813c131aafdb Craig 2008-03-01T13:54:39Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ba527085-a5df-428c-8ba6-61a0aa38c071 We were google cached LONG before the google search bar. That's what I'm talking about. --S Sat, 01 Mar 2008 12:58:55 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ba527085-a5df-428c-8ba6-61a0aa38c071 Shatter 2008-03-01T12:58:55Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2014ab51-6a33-4f1b-a566-45cd523447ae Actually, Tribe's implementation of FOAF had to do mostly with Marc Canter and his pushing for them to do it. As for the IPGeo lookup, it's unlikely that they can get higher precision than city-- I've looked at a fair number of IPGeo databases, and nobody has higher accuracy. The FOAF location information is coming from the zip code you entered way back when you registered, even though there's not currently a way to change that once it's set. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:34:00 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2014ab51-6a33-4f1b-a566-45cd523447ae Patti 2008-03-01T09:34:00Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#546305af-609a-4b01-8597-6e29d61439f9 FOAF: Friend of a Friend its' a standard that was developed as a way of taking a friend list to other places, and check things automagically if you know somebody, etc. Never really caught on, but tribe was always all about pushing for new open standards. --S Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:41:05 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#546305af-609a-4b01-8597-6e29d61439f9 Shatter 2008-03-01T00:41:05Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5f976d17-8fbf-4370-8fa0-e8a54b148526 Shatter, I did and do object to the linkage with google. I much prefer the old Tribe search tool. I changed how I use tribe when Google was installed as the search engine for tribe. I know for a fact I'm not alone. I think a clear and understandable description of privacy policies should be included on all sites..but particularly on social-networking websites like Tribe. My goal in life is not to provide content for google. (though I don't worry about it a whole lot). Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:39:42 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5f976d17-8fbf-4370-8fa0-e8a54b148526 ☂Skylar 2008-03-01T00:39:42Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e064a455-8538-49ae-ae35-e5ecab45c6bf Look in the bottom left corner of your profile module - you have named yours "My Stats" ~V~ Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:35:31 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e064a455-8538-49ae-ae35-e5ecab45c6bf $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-01T00:35:31Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b7c16cf7-f3f7-4986-baf0-78b9cd1fab14 Okay, I'm thick. I read this thread again and I'm still not clear on exactly what is FOAF? Is this something on our puter or profiles we can turn off? I've never heard of it. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:33:49 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b7c16cf7-f3f7-4986-baf0-78b9cd1fab14 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-03-01T00:33:49Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b306d8b1-9136-4849-a2d5-2fa0a5d22fb7 I care about such things, Craig...and apparently a few other people do too. I get it that you don't care...however you haven't included much personal information on your profile...so that might change your perspective just a little bit. I'm glad you can be so care-free. Not everyone can or should be. Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:32:30 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b306d8b1-9136-4849-a2d5-2fa0a5d22fb7 ☂Skylar 2008-03-01T00:32:30Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c741ab45-325f-4bc1-888b-2108a43eceb9 I am behind a router and a firewall, as well as some other measures, so......... apparently it is quite possible ~V~ Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:26:36 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c741ab45-325f-4bc1-888b-2108a43eceb9 $item.owner.firstName 2008-03-01T00:26:36Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#7cadf771-aac4-4b58-8909-52c7f26b3f8c I've just crosslinked your thread to the FOAF tribe. Here's a link to that posting there: http://foaf.tribe.net/thread/a888c0b1-f547-4055-b476-43455005a58a Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:19:37 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#7cadf771-aac4-4b58-8909-52c7f26b3f8c Timbozo 2008-03-01T00:19:37Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0ef3dec2-6557-4a87-9c8c-13e41b8e2361 >> It must be deriving the info from one's IP address. << almost impossible if you're behind a router. what kind of internet service do you use? Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:16:03 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0ef3dec2-6557-4a87-9c8c-13e41b8e2361 Sunset 2008-03-01T00:16:03Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#9f813568-a7f9-43c9-80d6-b5c68cecb89b thanks for looking into this, Darren! Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:35:20 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#9f813568-a7f9-43c9-80d6-b5c68cecb89b déia 2008-02-29T23:35:20Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#18bfd026-12ae-4f1a-af55-3638714e57fd Nope. That's why I used Paypal and I'm adding Vincindia subscription management -- tribe.net doesn't have to touch the credit cards at all so we aren't liable. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 23:09:27 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#18bfd026-12ae-4f1a-af55-3638714e57fd $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T23:09:27Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1698e0d2-1e3d-458d-b0f7-7b428244fdd6 Thanks Darren. You stated a desire to... "update all your other social networking sites with your tribe.net info" Of course, I speak only for myself, but if I had any interest in any other social networking site, I'd be there, not here. Personally, I'd prefer it if there was NO ASSOCIATION WHATSOEVER with my Tribe profile and any other site anywhere. But that's just me. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:50:30 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1698e0d2-1e3d-458d-b0f7-7b428244fdd6 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-29T21:50:30Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#39136c70-a472-41c8-8928-2b15446498fc Strangely, finding my profile on ex.plode.us was less irritating than automatically "joining" the Gold Star Club tribe just now. . . Fri, 29 Feb 2008 21:37:10 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#39136c70-a472-41c8-8928-2b15446498fc Briar 2008-02-29T21:37:10Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#f11151fa-f17f-4cb1-b5a8-a287625ed282 Log out of Tribe, and then come back without logging in. Check your profile. That's what's visible to the Universe, including following links. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:26:20 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#f11151fa-f17f-4cb1-b5a8-a287625ed282 Craig 2008-02-29T19:26:20Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5c1ab7e0-b643-4ef2-b4fe-ba4ec3ab634d Oke, understand my profile............ but friends.............w/ details?????????? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:20:03 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5c1ab7e0-b643-4ef2-b4fe-ba4ec3ab634d ☼Sunshine☼ 2008-02-29T19:20:03Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a74004ba-692d-48a2-b69d-e579ee0b789e Thanks Craig! I'll book it today! ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:09:46 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a74004ba-692d-48a2-b69d-e579ee0b789e $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T19:09:46Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#056081a8-e1f1-44d5-8204-43d2edcb1921 That would be a PayPal phishing issue, which is a different can of worms from this one. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:09:39 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#056081a8-e1f1-44d5-8204-43d2edcb1921 Craig 2008-02-29T19:09:39Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#463babe2-a607-44e2-92d7-60e6100195ca So the Premium people who paid online, are you suggesting that their CC info is now in ex.plode's hands? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:08:05 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#463babe2-a607-44e2-92d7-60e6100195ca ☼Sunshine☼ 2008-02-29T19:08:05Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5490cf32-8f0b-4c34-abe7-6114f2aa1b26 6666-BITE-ME00-4269 Expiration date: 12/21/2012 Best used for traveling to the Yucatan. :D Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:06:39 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5490cf32-8f0b-4c34-abe7-6114f2aa1b26 Craig 2008-02-29T19:06:39Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8fc51cb5-3efa-48a9-af55-e869cbee19d9 Cool Craig: Just put some credit card numbers in your profile. I need several airline tickets and some nice hotel stays in several locations around the world. Thanks! ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 19:00:32 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8fc51cb5-3efa-48a9-af55-e869cbee19d9 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T19:00:32Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#20589b4d-c9cf-428f-b176-f043e282b60b Around here it's all complex don't care. :) Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:56:22 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#20589b4d-c9cf-428f-b176-f043e282b60b Craig 2008-02-29T18:56:22Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0e273c5d-79e0-430a-9e79-b187c6e8b978 "Default" is the simply don't care setting :) ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:51:23 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0e273c5d-79e0-430a-9e79-b187c6e8b978 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T18:51:23Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#03fcf96c-f777-4833-a4ea-bd7548611e25 Or simply don't care. :) Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:49:22 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#03fcf96c-f777-4833-a4ea-bd7548611e25 Craig 2008-02-29T18:49:22Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1055dc63-7694-4ddf-b123-4354539c777e The default setting should be "do not show my birthday". Default settings should err on the side of protecting privacy. (of course I myself didn't put my real birthday on tribe. Some people aren't quite as saavy) Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:43:23 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1055dc63-7694-4ddf-b123-4354539c777e ☂Skylar 2008-02-29T18:43:23Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#20635c50-6aad-4eae-9b0c-4d8e3d360a9f I think we shoul;d have 2 birthdays a year: One to carry us forward and another to take us back, thereby making us immortal! Saves on botox and plastic surgery too! ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:52:12 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#20635c50-6aad-4eae-9b0c-4d8e3d360a9f $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T17:52:12Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#dc84a4f6-0702-4a24-9188-db1adab054f4 I think birthdays should be free! Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:50:31 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#dc84a4f6-0702-4a24-9188-db1adab054f4 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T17:50:31Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#820b612d-ea01-4f3d-8948-ed5eb5dca911 is this for everybody, or just star people?? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:26:21 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#820b612d-ea01-4f3d-8948-ed5eb5dca911 SN 2008-02-29T17:26:21Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#369c23cb-e5a1-4839-ae27-b9768e493eb6 You asked. :D http://www.robotstxt.org/orig.html The subject of linking social networks like this has been researched by this Transylvanian fella: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert-László_Barabási Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:06:51 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#369c23cb-e5a1-4839-ae27-b9768e493eb6 Craig 2008-02-29T17:06:51Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b0b1b70a-3ebf-4f90-8587-56149be453ec As a followup -- I am coding a fix today to allow people to expose their own FOAF info or not, along with fixing the birthday bug. I also am ripping off MySpace's birthday page. I think it's a function that is long overdue here on tribe -- if people check that they want their birthday exposed, then their friends can see that it's their birthday. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:04:11 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b0b1b70a-3ebf-4f90-8587-56149be453ec $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T17:04:11Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ad13d92a-e572-46bb-bc4a-c1f4a3316e1c I took a look at this, and yes it is harvesting FOAF info. This has brought up a lot of concerns, including TRUE's finding the bug in the FOAF card (which is easy enough to fix now that I know about it). It's also quite easy for me to block this site -- I just am going to block their harvester's IP address from tribe. The interesting thing is that this site is doing something *I* am trying to write into tribe -- namely, going to other sites and harvesting the machine-readable URLS. FOAF is a "standard" that tribe.net was the first to champion, but unfortunately the people who own all these social networking companies figured out that the ONLY assets that a social network has are its members and to share that info would devalue the company so the standard was never developed to its potential. One of my projects is to develop a way for you to update all your other social networking sites with your tribe.net info at the press of a button. This site works in a similar way, except automagically. One way I can fix this is to require you to log in before accessing the FOAF info. For now I will just fix the birthday bug and keep reading what you folks are saying about it. It doesn't piss me off as much as it seems to piss you folks off -- but I think you folks are the ones to keep happy so I am considering dropping FOAF. FYI: I was just about to implement vCard and vCal info too. This has me second-guessing the vCard part. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:56:17 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ad13d92a-e572-46bb-bc4a-c1f4a3316e1c $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T16:56:17Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5ff156e1-d1e8-46f5-ba9d-c841fc52393e I deleted my friends when I changed my name.. and my friends are showing.. I mean the module.. I deleted the module on my profile. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:57:24 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5ff156e1-d1e8-46f5-ba9d-c841fc52393e $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T14:57:24Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b947ea15-98c2-48ef-8b07-512de62bf568 I'm not on there as far as I can tell! ;oS *Patrick stumbles across the room, in a drunken stupor, falling into a heap on the couch.* Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:48:09 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b947ea15-98c2-48ef-8b07-512de62bf568 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T13:48:09Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b3773bd2-a0ba-4143-a681-c12cd5418b55 "you have made your information available to the public." So I guess the real question is how do we flag our Tribe profiles as "private" and how to we take advantage of robot.txt (whatever that is)? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:14:27 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b3773bd2-a0ba-4143-a681-c12cd5418b55 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-29T13:14:27Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5d2a8dd8-b19a-43ad-a213-51a7c5bc03f9 Heh, I've been on the net since the early 80's back when it was still called the ARPAnet. The online databases know more about me now than I do. :D Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:49:07 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5d2a8dd8-b19a-43ad-a213-51a7c5bc03f9 Craig 2008-02-29T12:49:07Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#331d938a-b76b-4b00-bc76-2e6717761408 The concept is interesting. And it could have been "good" if they gave people an "opt-in" option. Sort of like "Now, reach more friends and meet more people, by sharing your profile from many sites on our service!" It could also have been used to pull together the many accounts that people may end up having. And draw in new members to certain sites, like this one. As in: "I saw your stuff on Flikr and YouTube, now I will be able to chat with you on Tribe.net!" That is a great idea. But only if you want to DO that. People have so many aspects to themselves, and they may not want those aspects crossing into other parts of their lives. You know? Maybe you hang out with coworkers on one site. And on another site you are talking about those coworkers behind their back in a less than flattering way. This can go for work, school, home life. Hobbies, leisure activities, dating, etc. Could be very embarrassing at the least. It is a blatant example of WHY people should consider anything they say, anywhere, to be public. Saying it in a tribe or in a blog doesn't mean it's only seen by a few people. It may well be seen now or in the future by all kinds of people. People you don't even know yet, may see information in six months that you've posted today. It could make or break business deals or relationships or job promotions. So if you can't say it to someone's face, that boss or client or coworker or significant other, do NOT post it here. Consider everything posted here, and in our profiles to be the equivalent of tacking up all the info on a community bulletin board outside your kid's school. In the employee break room. Submitted with your proposal for a business project. Remember again, that we are still in the relatively young years of the Internet. If you think "there ought to be a law" about the information being crawled by Google or by this Explode site, work to make it happen. I suppose we should also ask questions about how or if it can be prevented by any one particular site. So if Tribe could basically be a "closed room" that cannot be accessed from the outside. Would that make people more comfortable? It still would not prevent screen shots, copy and paste, etc. Nor would it prevent anyone from joining and running across the info. Truthfully, the answer always comes back to us, to each of us. And our own responsibilities to our selves. I am "me" and I am generally "me" across situations and across people. The topics might change, but I'm still me. True to myself. And true to others (no pun on my screen name). You are your own best defense. Each person reading this. How many other sites are out there like the Explode site that we do not know about? Can this site block other sites from doing that? Those technological things are great, if/when they work. But start with your self and watch what you say. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:42:48 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#331d938a-b76b-4b00-bc76-2e6717761408 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T12:42:48Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2fa18220-abbb-40f3-981d-a1b6f7b2b212 unbelievable. i'm on there as well - not via tribe though (thank god), but via Flikr and Youtube. what the heck is this explode thing anyway. i've never heard of them until just now. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:55:31 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2fa18220-abbb-40f3-981d-a1b6f7b2b212 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T11:55:31Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6d5df06e-4314-4184-8dad-0cc9974c9ce4 "I didn't know you were a Leo! " Thats' true, on tribe. Every site that requires a B-day gets a different fake B-day. In fact, I can tell what system somebody was snooping on by when they send me a happy B-day note. --S Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:36:58 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6d5df06e-4314-4184-8dad-0cc9974c9ce4 Shatter 2008-02-29T11:36:58Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#61abb232-6bfd-4680-a78b-681824c54d06 Doesn't show address, but does show an aerial shot of whatever people put in as a zip code, or wherever it's getting the location latitude and longitude from: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:00:17 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#61abb232-6bfd-4680-a78b-681824c54d06 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T11:00:17Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#461fa646-3e77-4916-8aa8-09c0ab5d3853 By the way, I did NOT find myself on that other site. I don't have any "friends" on this site, officially. What I would like someone to check out, for both the FOAF and for the ex.plode.us site is try deleting your friends module. See if your friends still show up on your FOAF page, and if they show up on the ex.plode.us site. Maybe it is set up so that only those with friends will show up on that other site. I don't know for sure. And I also don't know how long that other site holds on to it's information. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:50:31 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#461fa646-3e77-4916-8aa8-09c0ab5d3853 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:50:31Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#50113fdc-f258-4b1c-a7cd-1da00fc33487 What do you mean by "dynamic"? I swear there is a place to put in a zip code initially. I'm pretty tired, though, and I thought there was a check box to turn off the FOAF and didn't find that either. OK, it is DEFINITELY NOT IP. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:44:15 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#50113fdc-f258-4b1c-a7cd-1da00fc33487 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:44:15Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8b4c3648-b923-4e42-97a6-41f99063e7c1 Hey Shatter: I didn't know you were a Leo! :) ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:39:20 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8b4c3648-b923-4e42-97a6-41f99063e7c1 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:39:20Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6a5adab2-29d0-469c-9cec-acd329f3889c I did bring that up, a long time ago, via email, to Wendy. That I felt it didn't do any good for TOU Guy or moderators to pull posts or unsub people if the pulled posts and people are still Googleable. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:33:52 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6a5adab2-29d0-469c-9cec-acd329f3889c $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:33:52Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#68895973-df3a-4ab9-8adf-34990cdb2921 I don't recall ever putting in a zip code. I never put in an accurate one anyway fro online affairs. I think it's IP derived and I hunted around a bit with other profiles, it may be rather dynamic as well. Hard to say at the moment. ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:32:34 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#68895973-df3a-4ab9-8adf-34990cdb2921 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:32:34Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8d9034e5-2a6f-4c0a-81ea-833fbfd3b360 Don't we put in a zip code when we sign up? I looked at the "change location" link and it's just for cities, it doesn't ask for a zip code. So, yeah, it has to be getting that info from somewhere. How can it get it from IP address? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:26:01 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8d9034e5-2a6f-4c0a-81ea-833fbfd3b360 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:26:01Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5cd6033d-12c2-4704-8e12-c7e5d4b005c5 Mildly funny, but nobody has complained about all our tribe posts being cataloged by google. --S Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:20:00 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5cd6033d-12c2-4704-8e12-c7e5d4b005c5 Shatter 2008-02-29T10:20:00Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#056c8d79-c6b3-48ee-ad3c-dafa2dc12d79 Ja... I put coordinates listed in the FOAF version of my profile and it brought up the street I live on...quite accurately. I never put that in other than San Francisco. It must be deriving the info from one's IP address. Bad news. ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:17:13 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#056c8d79-c6b3-48ee-ad3c-dafa2dc12d79 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:17:13Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#3cf89041-9fd4-4edf-af4d-d8c92b6f535a It's probably zip code related, which CAN be very precise. That's the reason for zip codes in mail. I thought it was kind of neat with the latitude and longitude. I am sure that was placed there to locate our Tribe area, like San Francisco or Portland or Seattle. So we would get local things going on in our area. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:16:02 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#3cf89041-9fd4-4edf-af4d-d8c92b6f535a $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:16:02Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#86af22f8-1fea-48df-946e-ba36d5de74e0 And it worked, your birth date is no longer showing. Good job! I just posted how to do that. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:10:09 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#86af22f8-1fea-48df-946e-ba36d5de74e0 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:10:09Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#be01c9ca-a52e-4ef8-a58c-d9315b3158c0 You CAN turn this off, yourselves. Go to the bio area, edit that module, and check the box next to "don't show my age". Then it does not show up at all on that FOAF page. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:09:19 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#be01c9ca-a52e-4ef8-a58c-d9315b3158c0 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:09:19Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#9832d8af-4a8a-4b4b-ac62-1e10d8e2edef I've just removed my age and location as they are a security risk in the FOAF profile ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:07:47 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#9832d8af-4a8a-4b4b-ac62-1e10d8e2edef $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:07:47Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#11cf5212-23c8-4513-b6a7-77fe93135c55 Another interesting factoid I just discovered is that the longitude and latitude in the FOAF profile is VERY precise. This is an IMMEDIATE security risk ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:06:04 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#11cf5212-23c8-4513-b6a7-77fe93135c55 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:06:04Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#bc9a6b41-b4f4-45cd-9700-488e938f3636 Dammit! I haven't even heard back from Darren yet. I thought that this thread about "explode" had to do with that FOAF thing. And I thought there was a way to turn that off in each member's account. So I started looking around for the place that I thought I saw a check box, and I didn't find it. Maybe it is in that rectangular link with the four colorful smiley faces, under the FOAF profile words in our Bio. So I clicked that link. That area shows our birth date. And all of each person's friends. The friend's thing is one thing, right? But the birth date is something else entirely. I think it's a bug/mistake, as it says this: This XML file does not appear to have any style information associated with it. The document tree is shown below. I wonder if it did have "style information" if it might block out the birth date. I really don't want people to panic. ~V~, you are a blabber mouth. ;-) I think it could be more harmful if it is publicized. I didn't want that. I AM hoping it is something that can be "fixed" right away. Maybe there is a way to turn off that FOAF? Just delete it from the code? Would that even work? If it HAS to have something in that little space, plug in a link to "Join Tribe now" link or just the Tribe logo. Oh boy. oh boy oh boy oh boyo boy. Before everyone gets super cranky, I will assume that this will be made top priority at Tribe headquarters. Screaming at Darren won't make the work go faster. Screaming at anyone won't fix it. Hopefully Darren will make an announcement in the Company Blog. To get it fixed. While I realize that medication is not the answer all the time, if you have Valium, please to share it with the folks who are going to be super duper upset. And if you check out my birth date, which is already known, I will expect at least a ten dollar gift card on MY birthday. Thanks! ;-) Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:04:44 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#bc9a6b41-b4f4-45cd-9700-488e938f3636 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T10:04:44Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#317b420c-a29d-4df1-90d6-8548ac1e9792 Interesting. Thanks for the tip... Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:46:32 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#317b420c-a29d-4df1-90d6-8548ac1e9792 : Denisey, Phantom of Delight 2008-02-29T09:46:32Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1f79e77d-469b-4e1e-bfbb-2c9f5aab7874 Darren: If someone puts their age in their profile, why don't you have a gander at what shows up in the FOAF version ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:42:27 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1f79e77d-469b-4e1e-bfbb-2c9f5aab7874 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T09:42:27Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ddbc4c69-429d-419f-a980-a0531347ecc2 <<Ah: there they are in the UK. >> That's going to make the dog poop thing a little tricky... Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:38:39 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ddbc4c69-429d-419f-a980-a0531347ecc2 : Denisey, Phantom of Delight 2008-02-29T09:38:39Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#96287102-155c-4194-9c00-22b0c8afd57b True just found a pretty significant privacy issue in the FOAF. I'll let her explain. ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:36:46 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#96287102-155c-4194-9c00-22b0c8afd57b $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T09:36:46Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#037dc20f-db65-42c4-8008-f38463d6fcc6 Ah: there they are in the UK. http://curverider.co.uk/ http://elgg.org/ http://elgg.org/people.php ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:29:54 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#037dc20f-db65-42c4-8008-f38463d6fcc6 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T09:29:54Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c5be9576-9f69-4153-b1d9-d5220ddee0b5 I'm too tired to find the address and contact info for explode. Perhaps someone less tired can do so. But let me suggest the following. There is no real legal recourse and quite frankly, the "legal" way is not always the most expedient or the right course of action This is a COORDINATED ACTION: 1. Gather ALL contact info 2. Everyone call and email (from your spam accounts because you should have at least to email accounts anyways) EVERDAY 2b. Be polite at first, "Hi, I'm a member of Tribe and I really don't like my information being gathered by your business." (Everyone is doing this remember - at least 600 + people a day - calls and emails to all of the contacts available.) If this doesn't work, you start getting a little more heated and agressive in your communiques to them. 3. Talk to your tech savvie hacker buddies and have them mail bomb the crap out of them 4. If the business is local in Bay Area, start gathering dog shit and dropping it by their HQ. Ask your doggie and kittie friends to save the shit You see, you want to be polite at first and in unison and if that doesn't work, you start not being nice. You want to very indirectly threaten the smooth operations of the business, completely disrupt their ability to function and quite frankly, it will start to affect their personal lives, invade their waking thoughts, keep them up at night 5..........which is actually number 1 - remove the FOAF profile function IMMEDIATELY if that is the means by which they are harvesting the information This wouldn't be effective if it wasn't a unified action ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:16:24 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#c5be9576-9f69-4153-b1d9-d5220ddee0b5 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T09:16:24Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#7ef237ec-81cd-4ecc-a8cd-d3f53ffb5192 Oh joy, I found me. NOT PLEASED. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:47:16 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#7ef237ec-81cd-4ecc-a8cd-d3f53ffb5192 Elaine~ 2008-02-29T08:47:16Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0b78d790-8232-425c-a706-02c85352890c Now that I've ascertained my profile's there I have no more reason to go to a site called "explode." Fri, 29 Feb 2008 08:06:33 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0b78d790-8232-425c-a706-02c85352890c Briar 2008-02-29T08:06:33Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#20131fc0-d5ca-4d47-b2f4-dda07641e4e0 I don't think I'm upset. I use the same pseudonym in a lot of places, and it's fairly unique: Google would provide the same information and more -- ex.plod.us currently only has my Tribe, LiveJournal, and Flickr profiles. Ex.plod.us just has nicer packaging. Actually, with the explosion of social networking sites, I've wondered about ways to consolidate and simplify, at least my use of them. Maybe ex.plod.us will cook up something that I'll find useful. I wish that I'd at least gotten a nice note from them -- "Hi, we've hijacked your data without asking and look forward to the click-through money that it will provide us when we implement advertising." -- but Google is doing this already, also without any word of thanks. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:50:38 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#20131fc0-d5ca-4d47-b2f4-dda07641e4e0 Gary 2008-02-29T07:50:38Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#abeaaf73-794b-4ec7-a5e4-1b6781b7e435 you all do realize that by going to their website you're unintentionally rewarding them... I mean that kind of is the whole reason they are farming your profiles. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:39:35 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#abeaaf73-794b-4ec7-a5e4-1b6781b7e435 Sunset 2008-02-29T07:39:35Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#71ca29bc-12ae-4a17-a160-8d68f94d8e2e to search and see if you're in there, type in your screen name and click the button next to name by the search box. When I searched without the click, I didn't show up. But clicking on the name button pulled up bunches. I'm not happy, where do I throw the bags of shit? Any addy for explode? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:36:02 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#71ca29bc-12ae-4a17-a160-8d68f94d8e2e Scott 2008-02-29T07:36:02Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#905399d1-8d43-4ac6-ab3b-ba2cc80eb7da <<Nisey, try putting your name in exactly as it is in your Tribe moniker (with the colon, etc.). >> I did. Nothing. I'm glad... Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:12:24 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#905399d1-8d43-4ac6-ab3b-ba2cc80eb7da : Denisey, Phantom of Delight 2008-02-29T07:12:24Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a144d42a-3990-4ee2-aca5-ccf7cb9ed65c <<did you check for all 92 of your friends? >> No. I found friends and went through their friends lists, then would pick another friend from the list and went through their friend list and so on and so forth. Also did a name search and didn't come up. I have used 2 names here, but the first one was only 'in play' briefly, and that was about 2 years ago (I think) Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:11:12 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a144d42a-3990-4ee2-aca5-ccf7cb9ed65c : Denisey, Phantom of Delight 2008-02-29T07:11:12Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0c595a1b-77f8-42cd-8d0d-e6e1aa020249 Ok. 1) Thanks for pointing this out. 2) Not pleased at all to find myself there. 3) Really not pleased to find that part of what they are collecting is blog posts. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:59:46 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0c595a1b-77f8-42cd-8d0d-e6e1aa020249 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T06:59:46Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d78c558e-7b15-4bb2-82a5-1e18efa62da1 We should kick their ass somehow. (at least we have something new to bitch about now) variety is the spice of..... internet...somethingorother. ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:57:29 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d78c558e-7b15-4bb2-82a5-1e18efa62da1 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T06:57:29Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a8ed40f2-4e48-4a0c-b1ee-1dbc72dbcb15 There's nothing to be done about it unless you want to post everything "friends only." Just be careful what information you do post is all. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:51:21 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a8ed40f2-4e48-4a0c-b1ee-1dbc72dbcb15 Briar 2008-02-29T06:51:21Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1c44f9c1-f5ae-4f38-b940-ffe2cd996204 About Explode Explode is a social search tool devised by Curverider. What you see here is only the beginning, our idea is to build an application that acts like the glue between social networks; it is all about breaking down silos of active and opening up the web using open standards. If you would like to contact us, please use the Curverider contact form. FAQ Why do I appear in Explode? Explode is a search engine that gets its data from information that has been made publically available. Our crawlers respect robot.txt and we do not attempt to gather any infomration that has been marked as anything other than 'public'. Therefore, if you appear in an Explode search, this is because you have made your information available to the public. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:47:22 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1c44f9c1-f5ae-4f38-b940-ffe2cd996204 wild♦apache 2008-02-29T06:47:22Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d50c99be-766e-4a68-96bf-4dd8b69a5ca2 Nisey, try putting your name in exactly as it is in your Tribe moniker (with the colon, etc.). I'm there, not only for Tribe, but for my LJ and Flickr account as well. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:47:05 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d50c99be-766e-4a68-96bf-4dd8b69a5ca2 Carrie 2008-02-29T06:47:05Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#10d9adcc-abdd-42da-8e66-cc7a59135d75 Yes, goddammit, I'm there too. Their "about us" page says they're all about "breaking down silos of active." Active *what?* Usually what one puts in a silo is "active" only to the extent that it sits and ferments. Wait, you mean there's *no* what? Just "active?" As in Adjective is the New Noun? Well I'll be damned. In a silo? Isn't the family farm embattled enough without vandalized silos? I don't think I want to be on a site that treats growers like that. Maybe I'm over-analyzing this. Still sucks to be there. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:43:09 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#10d9adcc-abdd-42da-8e66-cc7a59135d75 Briar 2008-02-29T06:43:09Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5db6b14c-1c4d-4cde-997e-7e90e816c1a5 I'm there, and I think I'm not going to lose much sleep over it. Internet + privacy = oxymoron. For every listing like this we're aware of, there's maybe a 100 or more you or I don't even know exist. Computers are fast and cheap. They don't make for very hot dates, though. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:36:11 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#5db6b14c-1c4d-4cde-997e-7e90e816c1a5 Craig 2008-02-29T06:36:11Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0f3153d4-85e2-40dd-8b8a-d0136c6e9ab7 Have you been changing your tribe name frequently? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:24:54 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#0f3153d4-85e2-40dd-8b8a-d0136c6e9ab7 Timbozo 2008-02-29T06:24:54Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8293a9bc-0a5f-42e6-ae97-c9653af44666 did you check for all 92 of your friends? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:22:44 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8293a9bc-0a5f-42e6-ae97-c9653af44666 wild♦apache 2008-02-29T06:22:44Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b8b20862-2dc9-4f39-bc98-8d868b2ee2e3 I find this interesting - many of my friends are listed there, but when I look through their friends lists, I don't see me, and I also didn't show up when I did a search for my name. Also see "via tribe" under the photos/avatars. I wonder why some and not all have been mined? And yes, I am relieved that I am not found there... : D Fri, 29 Feb 2008 06:18:38 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#b8b20862-2dc9-4f39-bc98-8d868b2ee2e3 : Denisey, Phantom of Delight 2008-02-29T06:18:38Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#24a45a80-8e0e-456e-bb02-53c3a2e0a7ea so, i guess one way or another we're all on there. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:58:11 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#24a45a80-8e0e-456e-bb02-53c3a2e0a7ea wild♦apache 2008-02-29T05:58:11Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e72598f9-91c0-4ebd-8d60-1e810498258b Well, then is there a way to eliminate the FOAF variable here, if that is the culprit? ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:57:32 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e72598f9-91c0-4ebd-8d60-1e810498258b $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T05:57:32Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a59d59a2-43f1-4ae6-af01-a2b153c609ed I don't think there is really much tribe can do. trolling for text is pretty much impossible to stop. I would say it is inadvisable for anyone to include personal information in a publicly viewable online profile. hell that even goes for "private" tribes. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:36:02 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#a59d59a2-43f1-4ae6-af01-a2b153c609ed Sunset 2008-02-29T05:36:02Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#baf9b8c3-ed52-4a02-905d-dc998f70fdd0 great... I'm famous.. I am friends with déia! Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:33:03 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#baf9b8c3-ed52-4a02-905d-dc998f70fdd0 Lisa ♥ 2008-02-29T05:33:03Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e8df0d06-8d74-4954-a142-3f66a4826d15 You have foaf running if you want it or not. The like LJ as well which I find annoying. --S Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:32:32 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e8df0d06-8d74-4954-a142-3f66a4826d15 Shatter 2008-02-29T05:32:32Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d09d50dd-e581-443f-985d-84b905549c86 Dude, that sucks I am on there too! But I notice it has a different avatar because I just recently changed mine. I wonder if they keep coming back to update things. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:30:04 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d09d50dd-e581-443f-985d-84b905549c86 Xiomara 2008-02-29T05:30:04Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#4491e342-2eac-4ae7-aeb1-40bb06c281ed http://ex.plode.us/friends/381934/ WTF?!?!?!????? I'm on there too. it also gives links to my most recent blog entries. I don't use FOAF and I don't list my email or IM addresses or anything else in my tribe profile. very weird. (thank you for pointing this out, Kim) Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:17:13 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#4491e342-2eac-4ae7-aeb1-40bb06c281ed déia 2008-02-29T05:17:13Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#30d34584-0c84-447e-b415-37447e29e113 did you list your e-mail address in your profile? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:03:22 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#30d34584-0c84-447e-b415-37447e29e113 Sunset 2008-02-29T05:03:22Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#728ea354-0875-4cf6-a550-ffd39d30e7ce holy crap... Whats the deal Darren? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:40:26 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#728ea354-0875-4cf6-a550-ffd39d30e7ce $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T04:40:26Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#80ed3a9a-7516-4ca8-8046-6c76781ab2fe I had a bunch of sleezy IM's to the email address I use for Tribe (I rarely get strange IM's to that email addy) so I googled it and found my Tribe profile on explode. It was right near the top. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:13:00 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#80ed3a9a-7516-4ca8-8046-6c76781ab2fe Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-29T04:13:00Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#67c9eaaa-447e-4517-8aed-a9c5396076b5 Kim, how did you stumble across this? Did someone happen to see it and ask you or was it a search result? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:03:17 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#67c9eaaa-447e-4517-8aed-a9c5396076b5 Craig 2008-02-29T04:03:17Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ae0554d9-03cc-4c5e-b505-2bde19ce9342 yes, please! Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:56:55 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ae0554d9-03cc-4c5e-b505-2bde19ce9342 wild♦apache 2008-02-29T03:56:55Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1466f36a-15f9-47fd-8e51-a10b5d9da2fe I am not there - but I dont like the idea that others who dont want to be are.... Could tribe please explain how to control our information or ensure that tribe profiles are not put on other sites ? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:43:04 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1466f36a-15f9-47fd-8e51-a10b5d9da2fe Bloke. Trivia Pimp 2008-02-29T03:43:04Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#35ea5671-6e53-4abc-80aa-3acd3d4cd208 >>fucking robots: I hate those guys!<< Come vith me if you vant to live. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:41:41 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#35ea5671-6e53-4abc-80aa-3acd3d4cd208 Mystic 2008-02-29T03:41:41Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#20ff59f9-700f-4d8f-9226-2194afae924f Screw all the other Tribe bells and whistles. That's what I want for my premium membership fee. Privacy. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:35:08 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#20ff59f9-700f-4d8f-9226-2194afae924f Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-29T03:35:08Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2d4bbbb8-11db-40dc-bce4-cd18b27e38d2 fucking robots: I hate those guys! ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:30:59 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#2d4bbbb8-11db-40dc-bce4-cd18b27e38d2 $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T03:30:59Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#10286f66-9e2c-4ef8-b644-33893a6186de It's my understanding that the html coding of the pages has to contain something that disables the robots that mine the sites over the internet, i.e. the robot.txt or some such thing. dunno... Shatter???? Darren???? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:29:31 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#10286f66-9e2c-4ef8-b644-33893a6186de ~{Jad3d}~ 2008-02-29T03:29:31Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e5bf4791-8cec-4a03-b684-ac09b760caa8 "you have made your information available to the public" Can I make my Tribe profile "private" so that it cannot be harvested from sites like explode? Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:21:24 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#e5bf4791-8cec-4a03-b684-ac09b760caa8 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-29T03:21:24Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d81d3e96-c22e-4db2-a348-ea0add998021 haha Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:13:32 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#d81d3e96-c22e-4db2-a348-ea0add998021 ~{Jad3d}~ 2008-02-29T03:13:32Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6c242b02-2a8b-4869-94cc-36e9d31621cc I think we're supposed to go ballistic and explode over this. ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:12:28 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6c242b02-2a8b-4869-94cc-36e9d31621cc $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T03:12:28Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#cf1fad74-2ce2-46aa-ae89-60fab37141e4 FOAF = another half-assed, half-finished Internet protocol. http://www.foaf-project.org/ Maybe this should be disabled. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:09:17 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#cf1fad74-2ce2-46aa-ae89-60fab37141e4 Craig 2008-02-29T03:09:17Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6fcd0346-e4e1-4d59-b0bd-7458abb1bd81 Why do I appear in Explode? Explode is a search engine that gets its data from information that has been made publically available. Our crawlers respect robot.txt and we do not attempt to gather any infomration that has been marked as anything other than 'public'. Therefore, if you appear in an Explode search, this is because you have made your information available to the public. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:08:27 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#6fcd0346-e4e1-4d59-b0bd-7458abb1bd81 ~{Jad3d}~ 2008-02-29T03:08:27Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8c89775a-1d68-4fb1-9b14-3c9388637a10 They're grabbing FOAF info. --S Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:58:46 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#8c89775a-1d68-4fb1-9b14-3c9388637a10 Shatter 2008-02-29T02:58:46Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#7f19c4e6-36e4-4260-8263-9586dbfaad12 Contact their web admin and request that your personal information be removed from the site. If you don't get a response, I'm going to expect that you're not the only one... Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:55:23 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#7f19c4e6-36e4-4260-8263-9586dbfaad12 Timbozo 2008-02-29T02:55:23Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#efe62a64-40a3-4de5-a762-e7ddab88f80c It could be that the other site is harvesting the data rather than Tribe passing it along. ~V~ Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:28:53 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#efe62a64-40a3-4de5-a762-e7ddab88f80c $item.owner.firstName 2008-02-29T02:28:53Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#349503b9-e396-4fee-9098-f21b99e5acab I'm not there either, thank goodness ! Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:26:20 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#349503b9-e396-4fee-9098-f21b99e5acab BFG 2008-02-29T02:26:20Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#681dcbd1-276e-47bc-991b-e0bb0f5dc6ea I don't even know what a TribeCast is and I've never published my Tribe info anywhere else. Can anyone from Tribe help me resolve this? I don't know where to begin to get myself off that other site. I'm reluctant to create an account there because I fear it will prompt more garbage since they certainly don't seem reputable. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:25:14 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#681dcbd1-276e-47bc-991b-e0bb0f5dc6ea Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-29T02:25:14Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ddd0e262-26f0-43cf-917b-3956cbdad531 The TribeCast module is capable of doing that; publishing a Tribe friends list on another site. Since you didn't so it yourself a guess would be that some database corruption here has swapped stuff from your account into someone else's TribeCast. That would be a very bad thing. Accidental, but very bad. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:15:03 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#ddd0e262-26f0-43cf-917b-3956cbdad531 Craig 2008-02-29T02:15:03Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#dd6e870e-95a9-4e41-a741-bf346557b5b4 At first glance...I seem not to be listed on ex.plode.us Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:07:56 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#dd6e870e-95a9-4e41-a741-bf346557b5b4 ☂Skylar 2008-02-29T02:07:56Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1280ba37-e393-4307-ae3b-0252e380791c That's horrible! I'm glad I haven't put more info in my profile. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:05:53 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#1280ba37-e393-4307-ae3b-0252e380791c ☂Skylar 2008-02-29T02:05:53Z http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#986549d4-752f-4e96-b04d-92d935aaee39 Can someone please tell me why my bio and all of my tribe friends are listed on a site I have never been to or heard of? I didn't think this was Tribes style. I feel cheated and betrayed. If I wanted my profile to be farmed out, I would join Facebook. http://ex.plode.us/friendsof/383463 I apologize if this has already been discussed. Fri, 29 Feb 2008 02:02:24 GMT http://brainstorm.tribe.net/thread/34fb1a79-351d-4251-8318-829623c1c9cb#986549d4-752f-4e96-b04d-92d935aaee39 Dusty Nipples (Kim) 2008-02-29T02:02:24Z