howabout we delete this profile?

topic posted Fri, April 25, 2008 - 1:58 PM by  rebecca~rose
people.tribe.net/maxbiphillymale


nasty posts on my network posts that i dont want to see and i think theyre agains the tribe guidelines..
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    Re: howabout we delete this profile?

    Mon, April 28, 2008 - 3:45 PM
    When you say "how about we delete this profile" what you really say is "I want you to censor this person."

    It blows my mind just how much so many of you really embrace and relish the power you have here on tribe.net to censor other people.

    Censorship is the blunt tool of the dull, scared, witless mind.
    • Re: howabout we delete this profile?

      Tue, April 29, 2008 - 8:38 AM
      lord,

      i'm okay with freedom of expression, no need to censor

      this is not a porn site and we all know where to find porn if we wanted to.

      i found that profile to be inappropriate to tribe's mission and core values

      i don't use tribe for erotic purposes, there are plenty of other sites that have the purpose that this guy is in allignment with,

      im saying that i expect that if tribe asks that there be no pornographic images on the site, that there will actually be none, and if there are, that someone will do something about it. and if porn is now acceptable on tribe according to the leaders of tribe, then the rules need to be updated.

      so far, nobody has done anything about it and that's why i started this thread.

      i hope that clears things up.

      • code of conduct

        Tue, April 29, 2008 - 8:48 AM
        here's what we see when we upload photos:

        "Tribe is a respectful and considerate community. You may not upload photos that portray pornography, obscenity, or sexually explicit conduct, symbolize hatred, or that violate a copyright."

        here's a copy of tribe's current code of conduct

        1. Conduct and Content


        While using or accessing the Service--directly or indirectly--you agree to take a constructive tone and practice good etiquette and courtesy and you agree NOT to:

        threaten, disrupt, inflame, intimidate, libel, stalk, defame, or defraud any individual, entity, or group on any basis including but not limited to age, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, race, religion or disability or encourage any one else to do so;

        post, publish, or transmit any text, graphics, or material that is illegal or violates local and national laws or that contains, encourages, advocates, or expresses: obscenity, pornography, sexually explicit conduct, child pornography, the making or buying of illegal weapons or illegal drugs, hatred, bigotry, racism, profanity, vulgarity or gratuitous violence or use of weapons;
        harm or exploit minors in any way including collecting personally identifiable information, including but not limited to name, email address, home address, phone number, or school;
        invade privacy by attempting to collect, store, or publish private or personally identifiable information, including but not limited to password, account information, credit card number, address, or other contact information;
        modify or falsify the source of any content or information, impersonate another individual, Tribe representative, or moderator, or falsely state or misrepresent affiliation with a person or entity;
        disrupt, harm or inappropriately access any computer, network, server or telecommunication system or violate related security or operational procedures, policies or regulations;
        flood, overload, or mail bomb any mail service or transmit or transfer any harmful or disruptive viruses, worms, computer code, files, or programs;
        infringe any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, or other proprietary rights or violate contractual or fiduciary relationships (such as insider, proprietary, or confidential information);
        encourage or instruct unauthorized copying or circumvention of copy protection or pirating of intellectual property or content including but not limited to software, music, text, photographs, illustrations, and movies;
        access restricted, password-only, or hidden pages or images (those not linked to or from another accessible page);
        distribute or disseminate inappropriate, unauthorized or unsolicited advertising or promotional offers including, but not limited to contests, sweepstakes, barter, junk mail, spam, chain letters, and pyramid schemes;
        use tribe messages or member profile content to obtain personally identifiable information or to solicit, or sell to any member inappropriately;
        support or help any organization designated by the United States government as a foreign terrorist organization pursuant to section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act;
        include or create links or otherwise refer to external sites that violate these restrictions;
        create "trolling" posts (trolling is deliberately posting false or provocative information in order to elicit responses from people who would not respond if they knew the motivation behind the post); or
        attempt (i) to access or search the Service with any engine, software, tool, agent, device, or mechanism other than the software or search agents provided by Tribe or other generally available third party web browsers (such as Microsoft Internet Explorer or Mozilla Firefox); or (ii) to "frame," "mirror" or otherwise copy any portion of the Site without Tribe's express written authorization.


        2. Spam Is Prohibited


        You will not use the Service to transmit, either directly or indirectly, or facilitate the transmission of any unsolicited bulk or commercial email ("Spam"). We may use filtering technology or other measures to stop incoming Spam. This filtering technology may block some email sent to you through the Service. This may happen even if the email does not violate the Service Agreement.


        You will not post content: in inappropriate categories, with excessive frequency; in multiple categories or multiple cities; or with identical or substantially identical text or photography. You will not use unrelated words in content to skew search results.


        3. Child Pornography


        In no event will you post--or seek--images of children, whether nude, clothed or partially clothed, in association with sexuality, in any area of the Service. Tribe will attempt to remove any such postings and prohibits any postings or text containing or referring to child pornography, such as those containing the word "Lolita" or referring to nude photographs of "girls," "teens" or "children." In the event that Tribe discovers child pornography or images of children in violation of this policy, Tribe will promptly notify the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and the appropriate law enforcement agency.


        4. Violation

        While we retain the right to cancel or suspend your Service at any time without cause or notice, we consider the following to be a reasonable basis for termination: suspected violations of the Code of Conduct, this Service Agreement, or other guidelines; extended periods of inactivity; fraudulent or illegal activities; age misrepresentation; or nonpayment of any fees owed by you in connection with the Service.



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        it's clear that according to the code of conduct, the images on the profile i posted at the beginning of this thread and the listings that the profile has posted are a violation.

        i say either confront this person or update the code of conduct accordingly.

        i've contacted the admin of tribe and haven't heard anything back.

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          Re: code of conduct

          Tue, April 29, 2008 - 9:32 AM
          To people like you, Rebecca, freedom of expression is just an abstract slogan, but when it comes to actually tolerating speech or expression that you don't like, you make exceptions that swallow the whole. Don't feel bad, I am not putting you down. Most people are this way. Only the dedicated zealots, like the kind of people who work for the ACLU, actually believe in freedom of expression. Everyone else wants to silence that which they can not abide by.

          Of course, there is no freedom of expression on Tribe.net Nowhere is that concept embraced in the terms of use, nor in practice. In fact, the terms of use are so vague and arbitrary to as to permit the site to censor at will as they please, and they do, and according to no principles. It is done in an arbitrary and capricious manner. Mainly, it is just done in response to complaints. I think their corporate lawyer came up with it. But I digress.

          So, what criteria do you use to decree what is porn and what is not?

          There seems to me to be a fair amount of people on tribe who post pictures of themselves that feature nudity or erotic imagery of themselves. This stuff is homemade, not for any commerical purpose, and does not strike me as being porn. Just because it may not appeal to you or me does not mean the people who put it in their photo galleries need to be unsubbed.

          I would agree that tribe.net should not be used as a commercial porn site. The web offers plenty of that. But I don't see that as a problem here. Indeed, the only time I find myself bombarded with unwelcomed commercial sexual come-ons on tribe.net is from the pop-up advertisers for all of the various disreputable dating services who advertise here. But you won't see them being censored. LOL!.

          Money talks.
          • Re: code of conduct

            Tue, April 29, 2008 - 12:16 PM
            "So, what criteria do you use to decree what is porn and what is not? "

            por·nog·ra·phy  [pawr-nog-ruh-fee]
            –noun
            1.obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, esp. those having little or no artistic merit.
            2.Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
            3.The presentation or production of this material.
            4.creative activity (writing or pictures or films etc.) of no literary or artistic value other than to stimulate sexual desire 



            im not here to philisophise about freedom of expression, my personal opinion about porn or sexual expression, about consitutional rights or to redefine what constitutes something as porn,

            i am just saying that this profile seems to be a violation of the tribe guidelines and nothing is being done about it. i'd like something to be done about it.


            that's all.

            thank you..


            if anyone has any ideas about how to bring this up with the tribe admin and actually get a response, please let me know..
            • Re: code of conduct

              Tue, April 29, 2008 - 12:41 PM
              Rebecca,

              I guess what I don't get, and I think most of us here don't get is this: WHY do you care if someone else's profile violates the tribe guidelines? You don't have to look at it, after all. You can change your settings to limit the posts visible on your home page or block individual users if you don't like what they post.

              So what's the problem?
              • Re: code of conduct

                Tue, April 29, 2008 - 1:29 PM
                yah i changed my settings and no longer have to look at it.

                i'd like to prevent it from happening again. and im curious about how admin seems to be slacking on other stuff, too

                thanks for asking.

                the problem is, im annoyed that it's being overlooked.

                grr.
                • Re: code of conduct

                  Tue, April 29, 2008 - 1:36 PM
                  The world and Tribe does not revolve around you and your needs, and sensitivities Rebecca, nor anyone else's for that matter.

                  If you're so offended by how others choose to create a representation of themselves - regardless of how stupid or annoying they might be - there are other options on the net that provide a more sanitized and homogenized experience.

                  Hit the ignore button on the dude and move along to other places and tribes that are more to your liking - they are plentiful.

                  ~V~
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                    Re: code of conduct

                    Tue, April 29, 2008 - 2:30 PM
                    ive obviously made a mistake in bringing it up here.

                    thank you all for your time

                    from the heart,

                    rebecca
                    • Re: code of conduct

                      Tue, April 29, 2008 - 5:56 PM
                      It is true enough that this isn't the venue for this subject. However, don't be misled that because of that condition you'll receive any different reception most other venues around tribe, or elsewhere. The venue isn't the problem, rather very much so the underlying agenda in the approach to the subject.
                      • Re: code of conduct

                        Tue, April 29, 2008 - 6:16 PM
                        I would like all the profiles that have mocking comments about the United States deleted. We can't have freedom haters clogging the tribe intertubes here.
                        • Re: code of conduct

                          Tue, April 29, 2008 - 10:37 PM
                          <snark>
                          • Re: code of conduct

                            Tue, April 29, 2008 - 11:13 PM
                            <<im saying that i expect that if tribe asks that there be no pornographic images on the site, that there will actually be none, and if there are, that someone will do something about it. and if porn is now acceptable on tribe according to the leaders of tribe, then the rules need to be updated. >>

                            One persons porn is another's art and freedom of expression.. Who decides ? I am not offended by the profile, and would be much more upset about a racist one. I put stuff like this down to Freedom of Speech. I might not like it - but in an adult environment - respect the views of others.. even if that includes bum shots.. but the profile in question is hardly ubber offensive.. although I have not waded into their pics - because I am scared :)

                            Like anything on tribe I see - if I dont like it.. I just keep on truck'n and ignore it..
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                              Re: code of conduct

                              Wed, April 30, 2008 - 5:56 AM
                              "I am not offended by the profile, and would be much more upset about a racist one."

                              --yeah, but racism can often be just as much in the eye of the beholder as pornography. The criteria for what is deleted and who is unsubbed for posting it should not be simply whether you are upset by or disagree with other people's views, tastes, ideas, etc.

                              What is porn? What is racism? Posting definitions from a dictionary, like Rebecca did, does not help.

                              Why is it so incredibly difficult for people to grasp the concept of freedom of expression as including the freedom of people to say things that YOU don't like?

                              I don't like or agree in any way with the Klan or NAZIs but they have the right to speak, even the right to hold a parade. Of course, most of you would draw the line and say "NO!" Don't let them speak. Don't let them march. Well then, you don't believe in freedom of expression.

                              Tribe is not even about that, of course. Rebecca is right. According to the terms of use, if anyone posts something that offends anyone, that offender should be unsubbed. And certainly no Klansmen or Nazi would ever be allowed to post on tribe, no matter how respectful that person was in the manner of expression. Any kind of "ism" is not tolerated. That's censorship, disguised as politcal correctness.

                              Rebecca is right. That guy should be unsubbed. It's tribe's rules. He offended her. Off with his head.
                              • Re: code of conduct

                                Wed, April 30, 2008 - 6:04 AM
                                I think one thing most of us would agree on is kiddie porn.. but once again even that is not clear.. like the person who posted pics of a nephew in the bath (baby or child - not sure.. never saw them) and tribe removed them..
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                    Re: code of conduct

                    Mon, May 5, 2008 - 3:45 PM
                    If you dont like the guys profile, or x,y,z, in life ( unless they are specifically harrassing your personally or messaging you with deceitful communications, or after youve told them not to ), dont spend your time looking at it.

                    Should we follow your lead and censor and delete your profile because of something in your personal viewpoints & predilictions or profile we find not to our personal preferences?
                    Seems very childish, egotistical and tyrannical to censor someones natural freedom and rights to simply be and express who they are in all their diversity, providing they are not directly trying to get others to agree with or participate in their chosen life experiences and perspectives when those others do not wish to.
                    If you, we, they... dont understand, agree with or find the value in what others can find value in then be a self-responsable & maturely respectful adult and mind your own business & life.

                    Kind of comes back to the basic lessons learned in kindergarten, playing respectfully with others and remembering as well as respecting in action ( and nonaction ) that not only is it okay that life is full of diverse beings with ability to find, perceive and create value & worth in divergent experiences and realities - but it is actually healthy and an essential aspect of life. Learning, experiencing & expressing Life in mindblowing diversity.

                    If we dont want something showing in our personal profile like you are mentioning that seems fair enough to me too, though. So would be good to have a way of deleting and preventing such from displaying again in ones personal domain so to speak.

                    But essential to remember and act from understanding that your personal domain is not anothers life, experiences, choices, or even online profile! So back off.
                    • Re: code of conduct

                      Mon, May 5, 2008 - 6:13 PM
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                      Kind of comes back to the basic lessons learned in kindergarten, playing respectfully with others and remembering as well as respecting in action ( and nonaction ) that not only is it okay that life is full of diverse beings with ability to find, perceive and create value & worth in divergent experiences and realities - but it is actually healthy and an essential aspect of life. Learning, experiencing & expressing Life in mindblowing diversity.

                      If we dont want something showing in our personal profile like you are mentioning that seems fair enough to me too, though. So would be good to have a way of deleting and preventing such from displaying again in ones personal domain so to speak.

                      But essential to remember and act from understanding that your personal domain is not anothers life, experiences, choices, or even online profile! So back off.
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                      Back Off? wtf?
                      She hasnt posted to this thread in days.. and already conceded that maybe it just pissed her off that his browsing for sex interludes interfered /appeared in her domain..and was given a way to block what she found offensive and she was satisfied. I suppose you have never had a bad day... and just didnt want to deal with someones fucked up ideas of fun.. whatever.... YOU back the fuck off... bunch of self rightious assholes is what gives freedom of speech that nasty infringements/sensor requests.
                      • Re: code of conduct

                        Mon, May 5, 2008 - 11:03 PM
                        Back off from what, Hazard?
                        From suggesting someone not try to control another person to the point of wanting their equal right to be who they are in that way deleted & censored? That goes beyond free speech and rights to express who one is, to the extreme of wanting to control them in their own sphere of existence in that way. That is all I am saying to back off from, and i stand by that completely.

                        It sounded to me more like she still would like that level of censorship imposed on him, and others who post things in their own profile which she happens to not like herself, rather than simply minding her own business.
                        But since most peoples responses here were not supporting that level of dogmatic censorship she expressed, she seemed to feel it was the wrong place to post since she did not receive the affirmative responses she had hoped for. Maybe I misread her words & tone? If so, wonderful.

                        Sorry Hazard you think i should back the fuck off, as you put it, from supporting other peoples right to be and express who they are in their own home, whether real or virtual without censorship from others who choose different lifestyles.
                        Bad day or not, that is way overstepping ones place in my feeling, and I have zero apology for supporting such freedom & right to self expression that differs from others, including my own.
                        Even yours and hers. I don't feel either of your views should be censored or deleted, even while we may differ in opinion on that issue.

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